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North Essex: ‘Vigilante’ warning over BNP list leak

2:00pm Thursday 20th November 2008

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Essex Police today warned vigilantes not to take the law into their own hands after a list of British National Party members was published on the internet.

A confidential list was a leaked containing what was alleged to be more than 10,000 names, addresses, phone numbers or e-mails of members and in some instances their ages, hobbies or professions.

It includes the names of 34 people from the Colchester area, plus the names of child members.

It is thought some entries may belong to former party members or those who have expressed an interest in joining but never signed up.

The list also names people said to be prison or police officers, who are banned by their profession from being members of the right-wing party.

A spokesman for Essex Police said there was no evidence of any of its officers being BNP members.

He said: “Membership of the BNP by any police officer is prohibited.

“Should there be any information to the contrary, then the matter would be investigated by our professional standards department.”

He added that anyone who felt at risk by the release of the information should contact police.

The information is thought to have first appeared online on Sunday and is a breach of a court injunction obtained by the party in April.

It has been taken down from the site where it was originally posted, but remains available on a number of websites.

An investigation is under way to find out who published it.

Eddy Butler, eastern regional organiser for the BNP, said: “People are annoyed about it but they are taking it in their stride.

“It’s an occupational hazard.

“When you’re in a party that is controversial and stands out against things, you’re going to be singled out.

“People who join our party understand that.”

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Nobnee, Elmstead Market says...
4:46pm Thu 20 Nov 08

The man on the street has had enough, give us a party that cares about
………………
….. National Health Service, Law and Order, Withdrawal from the European Union, British Industry, Green Issues, Defence of our country, Education.


Stay strong

Magnus Carter, essex says...
5:23pm Thu 20 Nov 08

If we can have a list of paedophiles living near us, why not a list of racist bigots?

Sad to see someone listed as a parish councillor in this area though.

Citizen 139, Colchester says...
8:51pm Thu 20 Nov 08

"Sad to see someone listed as a parish councillor in this area though."

Would that be a certain Wakes Colne Parish councillor?

Andy Hamilton, Lexden says...
9:06pm Thu 20 Nov 08

Yes. I found the list via Google using "BNP membership list" at number 17.

There are 31 people with Colchester in their address. I am sure the Wakes Colne Parish Council will have an interesting meeting!

I loved the quote from the BNP organiser:
"When you’re in a party that is controversial and stands out against things, you’re going to be singled out."
A slight understatement!

the undertaker, Harwich says...
9:17pm Thu 20 Nov 08

People are supporting parties like this more now due to the way this country is being run. The papers are also to blame by printing stories about immigrants getting this and that for free.
There are a hell of a lot of people that agree with a lot of what the \\bnp stand for but dont admit it.

general public, colchester says...
11:05pm Thu 20 Nov 08

it sounds a bit like the ku klux klan or the masonic lodge;except for the ritual.

Wat Tyler, Colchester says...
12:22am Fri 21 Nov 08

"Yes.I found the list via Google using 'BNP Membership list' at number 17"

Thats odd, it was at number 17 on my list too! But that link was too slow.

I therefore Googled "bnp members list" and got a faster link at number 2! Beat that Andy!

I also discovered that if you hit 'edit' on your google toolbar, you can search the list by word, such as 'wakes' or 'colne'.


general public, colchester says...
3:18am Fri 21 Nov 08

yea,the rats of wakes colne!

Nobnee, Elmstead Market says...
12:54pm Fri 21 Nov 08

Andy Hamilton wrote:
Yes. I found the list via Google using "BNP membership list" at number 17. There are 31 people with Colchester in their address. I am sure the Wakes Colne Parish Council will have an interesting meeting! I loved the quote from the BNP organiser: "When you’re in a party that is controversial and stands out against things, you’re going to be singled out." A slight understatement!
Well done Hamilton plenty of time on your hands.

If the Wakes Colne parish councillor is doing a good job, what is the issue now you know he is a bnp member?
So what if hundreds of Essex residents are members? Will that stop you talking to your next door neighbour or work colleague because they are a member of a legal political party and you had no idea beforehand grow up!


Magnus Carter, essex says...
3:04pm Fri 21 Nov 08

Nobnee, as you obviously don't get it. Perhaps the words of the BNP itself can illustrate the revulsion thay many of us towards this 'legitimate' party.

Nick Griffin, BNP leader in his own words:

“I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lamp shades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat … I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie and latter witch-hysteria.”

"It's well known that the chimneys from the gas chambers at Auschwitz are fake, built after the war ended."

"Without the White race nothing matters believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last one has left our land."

Mark Collett, Nick Griffin’s right-hand man:

"Churchill was a f*** c*** who led us into a pointless war with other whites standing up for their race".

It is just ten days since the population of this country paid tribute to the men and women who gave their lives for this country whilst fighting Nazism. Please don't dishonour their memory by being an apologist for these types of views.

Nobnee, Elmstead Market says...
3:45pm Fri 21 Nov 08

Did they............

How about getting back to the points raised?



Citizen 139, Colchester says...
3:56pm Fri 21 Nov 08

"Will that stop you talking to your next door neighbour or work colleague because they are a member of a legal political party"

Yes.

Magnus Carter, essex says...
3:58pm Fri 21 Nov 08

"If the Wakes Colne parish councillor is doing a good job, what is the issue now you know he is a bnp member?"

The issue is that he got elected without telling people that he is regional organiser for a party of holocaust deniers and nazi sympathisers.

"So what if hundreds of Essex residents are members?"

It bothers me that there are 220 people in Essex that support a party of holocaust deniers and nazi sympathisers.

"Will that stop you talking to your next door neighbour or work colleague because they are a member of a legal political party and you had no idea beforehand"

I wouldn’t want to be friends with someone who supports a party of holocaust deniers and nazi sympathisers.

"grow up!"

A luxury denied to babies and little children gassed by holocaust perpetrators and nazi sympathisers.

Do you get it yet?

Nobnee, Elmstead Market says...
4:19pm Fri 21 Nov 08

A question if I may Mr Carter-
Would you have the same issue if the Parish Councillor was a member of the Communist Party?

Wat Tyler, Colchester says...
4:28pm Fri 21 Nov 08

Nobnee, how about you answering the question?

Do you deny the holocaust?

If you support the bnp do you care if they deny it?

Do you agree with Nick Griffins views?

Brian Sewer, Tarring W.Sussex says...
11:02am Sat 22 Nov 08

Didn't the Home Secretary Jacki Smith say something like - 'those people in the BNP are ashamed of the BNP and therefore do not want people to know they are a member of that party ?'

I find that a daft remark coming from those in Parliment who a few months ago joined forces to try stop the freedom of information act giving details of MPs expenses (fiddles) on their second homes - the reason they objected ? - they did not want their addresses given out ! Duh !

This Government should instead try figure out why people are looking for alternative political parties instead of the same three party system who are basically failing the whole country with their ridiculous policies that has people quite rightly feeling they have been abandoned in their own country.

The list of BNP members has a very wide cross section of people across the U.K. - this now will make people realise the BNP are attracting proffesional, intelligent, people and not the knuckle draggers so often portrayed by the gutter press. I can see vast numbers of fed up British people now defecting towards the BNP.

And if anyone is thinking of carrying out some witchhunt I hope they are prepared to go to jail if they commit arson ( which has been already reported in the media yesterday ) or violence towards someone who in this supposedly democracy chose to support another political party - we expect this in Zimbabwe - but not Britain !



Brian Sewer, Tarring W.Sussex says...
3:46pm Sat 22 Nov 08

Of course, I forgot to mention the Labour party have murdered 30,000 people in Iraq and Afghanistan in phoney wars and Labour and Tory parties have had dozens MP's and councillors arrested and some jailed for all manner of crimes ? including crimes against little children. Mmm who's got the most blood on their hands ? Oh yes, of course it's those who say we've got a democracy in this country - while while trying to deny it to those who have abandoned the main two corrupt political parties !

ron duron, Croydon says...
4:25pm Sat 22 Nov 08

Can't Wat Tyler list all the crimes by Labour and Conservative and Lib dems as well while she's at it? Or would that take up a whole section of this thread? I thought Brian made a valid point though about all the proffesional people in the BNP now,I got a GP or solicitor living alongside me and he's in the BNP? do i care? nope! I think i'm going to send them a donation now as I don't like people being bullied by hypocrites

Touran, London says...
4:41pm Sat 22 Nov 08

I think if you google crimes in the Labour and Conservative parties you'd be surprised how many of them have all sorts of offences.


But is this important ? I don't think it matters, but if we are going to make it an issue then we may as well list all the crimes by ALL of the political parties, it wouldn't put me off voting for anyone because I read their policies, I always think that's more important than each individuals. Thanks



Magnus Carter, essex says...
4:44pm Sat 22 Nov 08

Ron, is it just a coincidence that you and Mr Sewer can't spell 'professional', and both hail from the same part of the world? i.e. nowhere near Colchester, or are you one and the same?

It might not be a good idea to send a donation to the BNP, it might get put on a list and published!

Whatever you do, don’t be tempted to send it under an assumed name, as that would be illegal. I think the BNP has enough criminals on its books don’t you?

Wat Tyler, Colchester says...
4:58pm Sat 22 Nov 08

Touran, to save me the time can you perhaps list these members of the three main parties who have been convicted of arson,bombing, and paedophilia?

You would vote for a party of neo-nazi's, holocaust deniers and criminals because of their policies?


ron duron, Croydon says...
5:37pm Sat 22 Nov 08

Magnus, I most certainy will send a donation to the BNP and if the list get's published so what? are you making some kind of threats then? I think you'll find on the BNP website ( which is the most popular website for any political party in the UK )there are many ordinary, decent, honest, people who have had their photo's published) as for Croydon in Surrey being near West Sussex? then you need to ask santa for a map this Christmas!!!

Wat Tyler, Colchester says...
5:51pm Sat 22 Nov 08

Ron/Touran/Brian or whatever you call yourself....

I have seen your posts on the 'This is Local London' website for Croydon, if you are really three different people, you must be sharing the same (bad) dictionary!

I love the one 'Cops Close Coke House' where you have a conversation with yourself....priceles
s!

As for needing a map, brian commutes each day to East Croydon, or is it Touran or Ron? From his home in West Sussex. Not to mention the fact that you used to live in Croydon.


ron duron, Croydon says...
5:52pm Sat 22 Nov 08

And yes Touran I think you are right,the Labour/Tory Party have had all types of criminals Archer,Stonehouse,At
kin, councillors in the midlands have been been arrested for fraud and paedophillia, you are quite correct and then as Brian Sewer states 30,000 people killed by politicians bombs!!! all for oil!!! they are the real nazi's!!!!

Wat Tyler, Colchester says...
6:01pm Sat 22 Nov 08

Ron/Brian/Touran

You have a very nasty habit of starting sentences with 'And' and 'But'. Dead giveaway.

Nice to see you agreeing with yourself.

ron duron, Croydon says...
7:34pm Sat 22 Nov 08

Is Wat Tyler the same Wat Tyler/Magnus Carter that posts on different forums all across England posing a young lad ? wanting to meet other young lads? thought i'd seen the name before somewhere

Touran, London says...
8:01pm Sat 22 Nov 08

I think ron you are correct,and I think i'll also be making a donation to the BNP ! that makes two of us and there is nothing this wat carter character can do about it ! he he

Touran, London says...
8:11pm Sat 22 Nov 08

Can we all join in this little hymn, all together now

Onward Christian Soldiers Hymn
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!

Refrain

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.

At the sign of triumph Satan’s host doth flee;
On then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell’s foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
Brothers lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.

Refrain

Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
Brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
One in hope and doctrine, one in charity.

Refrain

What the saints established that I hold for true.
What the saints believèd, that I believe too.
Long as earth endureth, men the faith will hold,
Kingdoms, nations, empires, in destruction rolled.

Refrain

Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
But the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
We have Christ’s own promise, and that cannot fail.

Refrain

Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
Blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud and honor unto Christ the King,
This through countless ages men and angels sing.




Touran, London says...
8:17pm Sat 22 Nov 08

Essex has good BNP support, I suppose 2009 could also be a good year for them as well,it seems everyone is joining in the fun of voting BNP and the thugs from the left just don't like it,all say arrr !

ron duron, Croydon says...
9:08am Sun 23 Nov 08

You are so correct Touran,infact more and more people are supporting and voting for the BNP and they dont care when people use old fashioned insults like nazi or facist because deep down those phrases describe the present labour regime who took us into a war against the tens of millons of people who said this was wrong,and to cap it all,their weak immigration system allowed terrorist to come here and claim asylum and benefits from the British tax-payer then tried to blow up people going about their business on the london underground didnt they?
The immigration system is in total chaos with 2 million illegal immigrants here all on benefits that the tax-payers like me and you Touran are paying for.I'm voting and supporting the BNP and i dont care what left wing thugs think !


ron duron, Croydon says...
10:34am Sun 23 Nov 08

Andrew Gilligan's article in yesterday's Evening Standard has a slightly snobbish tone but his main point, that the establishment has over-reacted to the BNP, is well made.

Now that the statisticians have picked over the leaked BNP list, they have discovered what many of us suspected all along. The BNP members are actually a pretty ordinary bunch. The typical member is a bloke called John, David or Paul living in the North Midlands, Lancashire or Yorkshire.

Journalists have been scratching around trying to find celebrities on the list but have succeeded only in coming up with people that few of us have heard of. They haven't even found any major villains.

There was a similar sense of disappointment when the Guardian's nine-month undercover operation revealed only the membership of a vaguely famous ballet dancer. Despite becoming a BNP official, Ian Cobain found nothing else of any interest. No torch-lit Nazi rallies, no secret arms caches, no plans to foment unrest by firebombing mosques, no swastika arm-bands, no Luger-packing Himmler wannabes. It was all run of the mill political activism with a bit more paranoia about security than usual. A paranoia which turns out to have been justified.

The leaked lists show the BNP to be barely more than half the size National Front was in its late 1970s heyday, although, thanks to cleverer tactics, it has had much more electoral success.

As I've said before, despite its relatively small membership, the BNP seems to have an almost hypnotic effect on lefties. Whenever it is mentioned, many of their usual political principles seem to fly out of the window.

Lefties usually argue against all forms of physical punishment. They justify the actions of criminals and even terrorists by reference to poverty, abuse and the terrible environments in which people grow up. Criminals aren't born evil, they argue, they become that way because of what happens to them in life. Education, persuasion and winning hearts and minds, they say, are the ways to stop crime. Excessive punishment never works.

That is until you mention the BNP. Then, suddenly, they are telling you how these people are evil, vile scum who should have their heads kicked in and must be forcibly driven from the streets. All that stuff about persuasion and the immorality and ineffectiveness of draconian punishment is conveniently forgotten.

Workers rights get short shrift too as the left demands the summary dismissal of all BNP members.

When discussing the BNP, lefties start to sound like Daily Mail readers. I've never actually heard them call for BNP members to be castrated but it wouldn't surprise me if they did.

The wider political establishment has been drawn into this hysterical over-reaction. For example, the police are specifically banned from being members of the BNP but, curiously, are allowed to be members of Hizb-ut-Tahrir, Al-Mujaharoun and Sinn Fein.

It always makes me laugh when the major parties talk about uniting against the BNP. Do the Labour and Conservative Parties, each with more than a quarter of a million members and huge funding, really need to combine against a party with 10-12,000 members? If they do, it's a pretty poor show.

Perhaps now that the membership list has been published, the BNP will lose some of its mystique. It is a small-ish political party underpinned by a crazy ideology but which has policies that strike a chord with a lot of people. Most of its members are ordinary ****-off British people. While its founders were neo-Nazis, almost certainly most of its members are not. It raises political issues that are embarrassing to most other parties but which are of concern to many voters. It should have the right to be heard along with other parties and its members should enjoy the same protection in the workplace as anyone else.

For its own reasons, the left will continue to react hysterically to the BNP. That doesn't mean that the rest of us have to follow suit. We can still disagree with them and dislike them without endowing them with a greater level of power and evil than terrorist groups. Hopefully, the information in thatleaked membership will help us to put the BNP in perspective.


Wat Tyler, Colchester says...
9:40am Mon 24 Nov 08

"Here over an acre of ground lay dead and dying people. You could not see which was which. ... The living lay with their heads against the corpses and around them moved the awful, ghostly procession of emaciated, aimless people, with nothing to do and with no hope of life, unable to move out of your way, unable to look at the terrible sights around them. ... Babies had been born here, tiny wizened things that could not live. ... A mother, driven mad, screamed at a British sentry to give her milk for her child, and thrust the tiny mite into his arms, then ran off, crying terribly. He opened the bundle and found the baby had been dead for days.
"This day at Belsen was the most horrible of my life." - Richard Dimbleby

Nick Griffin:-

"'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far." -

His views on the Holocaust led in 1998 to a conviction for distributing material likely to incite racial hatred. He received a two-year suspended jail sentence.

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